By on February 21, 2019

We’ve hinted at this before, but now there’s order guides and pricing to share. While Cadillac’s CT6 flagship sedan will soon be without a home, General Motors hasn’t said anything about dropping the model. Once Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly shuts off the lights, GM would like to source its full-size sedan from some other place, be it China or another U.S. factory.

In the interim, there’s a new engine poised to appear beneath the sedan’s hood.

According to CarsDirect, the brand will soon offer buyers the chance to spring for a detuned version of the twin-turbo Blackwing V8 — a 4.2-liter unit reserved the limited-run CT6-V. That model, boasting 550 horsepower and 627 lb-ft of torque, sold out within minutes back in January.

While those 275 CT6-Vs will be thin on the ground, you’re likely to see more V8 CT6s once the milder Blackwing comes online. The new engine, CarsDirect claims, generates 500 hp and 553 lb-ft of torque. That’s a significant upgrade from the current top-end engine — a twin-turbo 3.0-liter V6 making 404 hp and 400 lb-ft.

While powerful, the mass-market Blackwing won’t come cheap. Offered in the soon-to-come Platinum 4.2 trim, the 10-speed, all-wheel-drive sedan will sell for $96,790 after destination, order guides say. That’s a climb from the CT6-V’s price, and $9,000 more than a 3.0TT AWD Platinum model.

A Cadillac sedan creeping close to the six-figure mark may seem excessive, but for those remaining ultra-lux-yet-mainstream sedan buyers, it may represent a bargain. The CT6 Platinum 4.2 undercuts the BMW 750i xDrive my more than four grand, and its power output tops that of other German rivals.

Just how many V8 versions of the CT6 GM plans to build is unknown, given the model’s hazy future and the fact that the clock’s winding down on Detroit-Hamtramck.

[Image: General Motors]

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56 Comments on “With CT6-V Sold Out, Cadillac Poised to Drop a Second V8 Shoe...”


  • avatar
    DEVILLE88

    I really like this Caddy, I hope it sticks around and is built in America. a chinese caddy just wont cut it with me.

    • 0 avatar
      Spartan

      Then tell Americans to buy more Cadillacs. When’s the last time you bought or leased a new Cadillac?

      • 0 avatar
        DEVILLE88

        2005 CTS-v and you?

      • 0 avatar
        el scotto

        Mr. Spartan,
        For most people under 60 they would joke and ask if Cadillacs still come with cassette or even 8-track players. Cadillac has lost it for people my age (50’s) and under. Escalade, aside. Caddy needs to seriously compete with Audi A8’s, Mercedes S Klasse, and Lexus LS. I’d put LS engines in every future Caddy and ‘vette engines in the V series like they do now. Also, a six year, 120,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. Caddy claims they’re “world class”, I say prove it with the outrageous warranty. I have a recall notice for my 10-year Lexus sitting on my desk. Yeah, it needs to go in owner manual. I can’t see GM ever doing that. For cracked dash, which hasn’t happened yet.

  • avatar
    ajla

    0. I’m not going to complain about a new V8 car in 2019, but given what GM already builds and what Barra claims the future is for GM, this entire Blackwing engine seems expensive and unnecessary.

    1. To continue the talk from yesterday about the Supra. If the Corvette is going mid-engine only soon and is getting these engines, then we’re likely looking at a substantial price increase on the Chevy. I think that would help the Toyota’s chance of survival as it would basically lose a competitor.

    • 0 avatar
      DEVILLE88

      uuuummmm who cares about a Supra that after much fanfare turned out to look like a 90’s z-car and half built by a company that builds cars that cost an arm and a leg to maintain? Had Toyota gone solo on it………….it might have been worthwhile to me.

    • 0 avatar
      jack4x

      @ajla,

      Agreed. GM is shooting themselves in the foot if they abandon the sub $60K Corvette. I continue to hope against hope that a next generation front engine C8 is sold alongside a mid-engine Cadillac halo car.

      As for the new engine, it looks impressive but do they really think the reason Cadillac or Corvette loses sales to the import brands is the LT1??? Does anyone seriously not consider an AMG GT or S63 because the same engine can be found in a C-class? Why is it shameful for a CT6 to share an engine with a Camaro when that engine is world class?

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        I think the C8 is going to be a colossal failure and I’ve been dreading it’s arrival since predictions of mid engine DOHC originally surfaced. The spy shots don’t give me any hope it’s going to be a worth while vehicle.

        I’m not sure that we will see a C9 with the information I’m seeing on the C8. I’m glad they are supposably going to continue to offer the LT1 (not the least of which because the DOHC engine spy videos sound like dogcrap) without the LT1 I would say it’s dead on arrival. The mid engine and $20-30k price hike is going to seriously put a huge downward pressure on future corvette sales.

        If they wanted to do something radical offer an AWD option but don’t completely destroy what the Vette stands for.

  • avatar
    cimarron typeR

    It always a treat to a CT6 on the road,very handsome car.I’m sure it will age well like e34 7 series, or pretty much any A8

  • avatar
    redapple

    If they build a caddy in China? Game Set Match.
    Dead Brand in the USA.

    How have things gotten so bad at this once venerable car company?

  • avatar
    akear

    GMs best sedan ever maybe headed for cancellation, while automotive excrement like the Escalade survives. Even the new CT6 is getting poor reviews. GMs perverse take of automotive evolution seems to be survival of the unfittest.

    The new Blazer just got creamed by Consumer Reports. Why are these poorly concieved GM SUVs selling so well?

    GM is trash.

    • 0 avatar
      redapple

      Blazer:
      Have you looked at one? The C and D pillar are real big. Add in how the belt line jumps up from the rear door to the D pillar. ZERO Visibility. New Terrain too.

      Many places have diagonal – nose in parking. How the hell are you going to back out??? HUH>? At night in the rain. YOU WILL CRASH SOME DAY.

      GM > POS > Do NOt Buy.

    • 0 avatar
      el scotto

      The Escalade and Navigator are licensees for GM and Ford to print money. They can haul four people, all their luggage and accoutrements, and four jets skis/boat/horse trailer with ease. You local dealer will take every one of them allocated to them.

  • avatar
    jacob_coulter

    When GM has sourced China for major parts like engines, it’s been absolute disaster.

    Look around the web for people that had the 3.4 liter engine on the Equinox and all of their problems. First GM drivetrain built in China for the US market. Absolute disaster. Owners are livid at all the problems.

    GM is pivoting to China at the worst time possible.

    How is it Japanese car companies seem to have no problem expanding factories in the US but GM (a US company the taxpayers bailed out) has to go to China to stay profitable?

    Mary Barra is a disaster.

    • 0 avatar
      akear

      It will take years to realize the disaster Barra has been. Remember, it taken until now to realize the disaster Jack Welch has been for GE.

      • 0 avatar
        jacob_coulter

        I actually think GE’s blame is on Jeffrey Immelt. GE’s stock only collapsed like last year, Welch had not been CEO for almost 17 years.

        My dad was a longtime employee of GE. Sad to see an iconic company like that likely get sold off for parts.

        • 0 avatar
          carguy67

          Wasn’t Welch responsible for all the financial shenanigans GE should never have gotten involved in (not to mention the scourge of Six Sigma)? It took Immelt that long to extricate GE from that but, yeah, Immelt was a stiff too.

      • 0 avatar
        carguy67

        “It will take years to realize the disaster Barra has been. Remember, it taken until now to realize the disaster Jack Welch has been for GE.”

        Sooner or later, their PR campaigns and all the guest appearances on MSNBC taper off, and the truth comes through.

    • 0 avatar
      Peter Gazis

      jacob_coulter

      GM has lots of U.S. factories. The imports have very few. Still
      -Mazda pulled out of Flat Rock Michigan
      -Mitsubishi shut down in Normal Illinois
      -Toyota gave Freemont CA to Tesla, and pulled out of Lafayette Indiana
      -Honda hasn’t built a new U.S. factory in a long time. And is shutting down European factories.
      -Nissan was Mexico’s largest vehicle exporter until sales fell last year.
      -Subaru is doing well, but still importing over half their vehicles from Japan. And Not building any new U.S. factories.

      • 0 avatar
        jacob_coulter

        How many of those companies are opening up Chinese factories for the US market?

        • 0 avatar
          Peter Gazis

          Vehicles exported to the U.S in 2018:
          From China 37,000
          From Japan 1.7 million

          I would happily buy a GM vehicle made in China.

          • 0 avatar
            PrincipalDan

            Well the Envison is selling poorly in what otherwise is a strong segment.

            Maybe someone will be able to work you a good deal on one, Pete!

          • 0 avatar
            Peter Gazis

            PrincipalDan

            GM’s argument was the vehicle won’t sell in a large enough volume to build it in multiple locations. You just proved their point.

      • 0 avatar
        Art Vandelay

        Peter, Toyota is building a plant in Huntsville Alabama to produce the Carolla. Honda in Europe has always been a bit player (GM OTOH was a big player but has left Europe entirely). While Mazda has left Flat Rock, Ford has filled the vacated capacity. Nissan recently built a plant in Mississippi IIRC. The Koreans and Germans have been building US plants as well.

  • avatar
    PrincipalDan

    Give me a more “base” version with the 5.3 V8 or 6.2 V8. With those kinds of displacements, we don’t need no stinkin’ turbos.

    • 0 avatar
      Jean-Pierre Sarti

      I completely agree. I mean would there be anything detrimental if you open the hood of the engine bay and the valve cover said “Corvette” ?

      anyway…goodbye American-made RWD Cadillac…I will miss you.

  • avatar
    TMA1

    Two questions that puzzle me.

    #1 – Why is this car more expensive than the more powerful, limited run V-version?

    #2 – Why would any car company limit a vehicle to 275 copies when the entire run sells out in seconds? That indicates that they either did not anticipate the demand, or they don’t want to make money by building enough cars. Either way, it’s bad for business.

  • avatar
    cimarron typeR

    I have a question,what proportion of CTs are purchased in China? If its the majority I guess it makes sense to move to China

  • avatar
    Spartan

    The hate for Cadillac and GM at large is alarming. Even this site is guilty of it and it annoys me to no end.

    Whatever will you do when you continue to buy foreign automakers cars and GM finally goes under? Will you finally be happy?

    • 0 avatar
      28-Cars-Later

      Yes.

    • 0 avatar
      Hummer

      GM keeps building half hearted cars that don’t deserve praise.

      This car should have came with the LT1 as the base engine, the 4.2L TTV8 as the mid choice and a Supercharged 6.2L at the top. Poor decisions like the CT6 are exactly why we give GM the sh$& they rightfully deserve.

      • 0 avatar
        Spartan

        No. The LT1 (Both SC and NA) is not suited for a full on luxury car like the CT6. How do I know? I own a car with an L86 version of the LT1. Sure, I love my Yukon Denali, but the LT1 is best suited for truck and sports car duty.

        Half hearted cars, compared to what? Even if GM built every single car with the same build quality as a Rolls Royce, people like you would complain that they cost too much.

        Keep rooting against the home team. Don’t complain when GM manufacturing is finally gone.

        • 0 avatar
          Hummer

          Have you not rode in a 2.0T ATS? The LT1 is a marvel in NVH compared to that 4 cylinder turd. The fact is GM cost cut where it mattered again and have no sales from the CT6 and no respectable halo version outside a very limited edition run.

          At current rate GM will be gone before 2030, I’m not rooting against the company, I’m rooting against the inept idiots in Rencen that have pushed my next purchase to FCA.

          • 0 avatar
            ajla

            I own the H/K 3.3T, which Genesis offers in its $70K luxury car, and I’ve driven basically every six-cylinder out there (aside from the newest Audi and Lexus turbo ones). There is absolutely no “luxury” advantage to any of them over the FCA or GM V8s.

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            Im not going to lament the loss of GM or Fords FWD cars, but I hope a possible 4 door Mustang brings back a true 4 door RWD American Sedan market. Something that can have a small 6 or turbo 4 for $24k and can be optioned up to a hot V8 fire breather.

            The problem is GM can’t solve it’s way out of a wet paper bag right now so it’s up to Ford and FCA to lead the way.

        • 0 avatar
          ajla

          “is not suited for a full on luxury car like the CT6.”

          And the other engines they offer in the CT6 are? Arguing that the LT1 is somehow totally unsuitable for a luxury car while the 2.0T, 3.6L, and lag-master 3.0t are totally fine requires some mental gymnastics. Hummer is 100% right, this car should offer the LT1.

          “Don’t complain when GM manufacturing is finally gone.”

          I promise I won’t.

        • 0 avatar
          GM JUNK

          Wont root for a team that knowingly let reject designs through to production that killed people and then covered it up, then needed to be bailed out to stay afloat only to source their crap to the lowest Chinese bidder.

          Eff GM.

        • 0 avatar
          jkross22

          Spartan, GM’s the home team? Then why expand in China instead of, well, home?

          The ‘away’ teams – Honda, Toyota, Subaru, VW, BMW, Mercedes, Hyundai – can successfully build cars stateside, but GM – the home team – can’t compete with them.

          Don’t blame customers. Blame GM products not being competitive.

          Why do you think GM thinks people will pay 96k for a CT6 when the car hasn’t sold when priced at 56k? It seems that GM thinks people are cross shopping a CT6 with BMW, Audi and Mercedes.

      • 0 avatar
        Hummer

        I’ll be happy when Barra gets the boot and someone that has business skills and a car hobby rightfully fills her place. Right now we have a JV soccer team playing for the Stanley Cup.

        • 0 avatar
          wooootles

          This is funny. The CT6 gets shat on here for ‘only’ having a 4.2 DOHC V8TT in a rear-biased AWD platform instead of an LT4/LT5, yet they sing praises for the suicide doors of the FWD Lincoln Taurus.

          GM has a crapton of problems as an organization but the CT6 (as a car) ain’t it, chief

          • 0 avatar
            jack4x

            The CT6 and Continental both offer multiple engines unbecoming of a flagship sedan. 3.0T should be the base engine in both, with V8s above.

            The 4.2TT seems like a nice engine that must have been developed at great expense, but why bother for such a limited run of vehicles? What does it do better than the LT family?

            The suicide doors are a silly marketing gimmick installed by an aftermarket limousine company.

            There, happy?

          • 0 avatar
            Hummer

            I don’t praise Lincoln’s FWD sedan anymore than GM. I will say at least Ford knew that the Lincoln wasn’t going to live up to its name to begin with and began its life on a FWD platform. They set a very low bar and then met that bar. GM went through the work to make a RWD full-size caddy Advertised it as Cadillac’s return to greatness and then put a 4 cylinder and a V6 under the hood. GM deserves to be ridiculed for that dumb mess.

            I’m not going to go after Ford because they didn’t build their car on a good platform to begin with, it didn’t take them much effort to max out their platform. GM built an amazing car platform and then phoned in the rest. It’s like buying a Rolls Royce and after the body is hand built you request a Kubota Diesel engine to save some money.

    • 0 avatar
      speedlaw

      Based on my one experience with my CTS I will not purchase another GM product ever my Corvette fixation is permanently cured I realize that one vehicle is anecdote but I only have one wallet Cadilac may be the last remaining business that relies on customers trading in every three

    • 0 avatar
      Art Vandelay

      “Whatever will you do when you continue to buy foreign automakers cars and GM finally goes under? Will you finally be happy?”

      Hopefully I’ll pay a little less on my tax bill. Honestly the only GM Vehicles I ever owned that didn’t disappoint were gen 1 Saturns. They just ran and ran and it was hard to be disappointed for what they cost.

  • avatar
    BklynPete

    Cadillac is beyond stupid in how they’ve messed this up. I can still help them save their misbegotten asses. Here’s how to salvage and amortize the wasteful CT6 investment:

    – Rename it without some awful alphanumeric crap. Seville wouldn’t be bad. Seachange, Seabiscuit or Catalyst would be better. Consult Marianne Moore from the Great Beyond if you have to.

    – Redo the front end to look more like a 77-79 DeVille.

    – A base 3.6 for $65K, with fleet option baked in at a similar price point.

    – AWD only $3K option.

    – Be real and price the BlackWing at $75-$80K, you greedy bastards. That’ll keep the assembly lines profitably going for the next 3-4 years.

    – Read Lexus’ 1990-1994 LS 400 marketing strategy, copy & paste.

    Signed,

    The idiot from Brooklyn you didn’t hire because Melanie said I had no luxury goods background. Laugh now, you dolts.


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